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No pay increase resolves county’s budget problems
by By Joel Martin Senior writer
May 20, 2009 | 5549 views | 26 26 comments | 17 17 recommendations | email to a friend | print
The Troup County Commission found a way to cut the remaining $175,000 projected deficit in next year’s budget - don’t give county employees a pay raise.

County Manager Mike Dobbs argued in favor of a 1 percent raise during a budget meeting Tuesday, saying it would promote employee morale and retention. He said LaGrange was looking at its usual 5 percent raise and county employees have never gotten that much.

County employees received 2.2 percent last year, but that was largely because of high gas prices, said Commissioner Morris Jones, noting that prices have since come back down.

“I thank all of our employees. They do a terrific job,” Jones said, but he said they can do without a pay increase for 12 months since their benefits will stay the same and jobs are scarce in the current economy.

He said the county shouldn’t have any retention problems because “you may have 1,000 people applying for the same job. I wouldn’t worry about it.”

Commissioner Ken Smith said Milliken & Co. is fast closing down and “people are graduating out the ying-yang who don’t have a job.”

“Are we to believe somebody would give up this benefit package and their career” over a 1 percent raise? he asked.

Commission Chairman Ricky Wolfe said he doesn’t see how the county could justify an increase in salaries, including his and the other commissioners’. By state law, Wolfe earns $9,801.48 per year and the other four commissioners earn $8,611.46.

The board agreed to review the pay issue in six months if, as Wolfe said, “there’s some light at the end of the tunnel.”

The county’s projected $2 million deficit in the upcoming budget was reduced it to $734, 000 in April. An additional $300,000 revenue for the general fund and $300,000 for reserves will come from savings on the county’s medical and dental plan.

County finance officer Stewart Mills said the tax digest is expected to grow 0.8 percent, significantly less than usual, because of a lack of new construction and declining property values. He projects the local-option sales tax will drop by $150,000, the county’s investment income by $87,000, and court fines are forfeitures by $592,000 or 33 percent.

In State Court, the number of traffic tickets has dropped by 1,000 since 2006 when budget cuts at the state Capitol forced a few prolific ticket-writing state troopers off the road in Troup County.

A state-mandated 5 percent add-on to court fines pays for the county’s three victim-witness advocates, but the fund has shrunk because of the reduced number of traffic tickets. Court administrator Sheryl Hicks said she will apply for a grant of $50,000 to $60,000 from President Obama’s stimulus package to help make up the shortage.

“The purpose of the grant is to keep people working,” Hicks said.

Work-release fees are expected to drop about $150,000 in the next fiscal year because a lot of inmates aren’t finding jobs. Landfill fees at the county’s construction and demolition dump in Mountville will drop an estimated $353,000.

“Folks are not demolishing and not building, ” said Commissioner Richard English. “It’s going to get worse before it gets better.”

The county’s reserve fund averages $12 million, but “I don’t want to make it look like we have that to spend,” Commissioner Smith said.

The county uses reserves to operate the government without borrowing money while awaiting property tax receipts in November, and to pay for big-ticket items such as acquiring right of way for the South Loop highway.

The budget, which anticipates no change in the current 10.56-mill property tax rate, is scheduled to be adopted June 9.

Joel Martin can be reached at jmartin@ lagrangenews. com or 706-884-7311, Ext. 235.
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grangerphil
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May 23, 2009
I appreciate everyone that followed me up on this thread. It shows that people are interested and keeping up with our local elected officials. Yes, times are tough. Yes, a raise might not be possible right now. The tone was so "blue blood" and condescending that it just deserved an aggressive response. I think in time, these employees will be taken care of like they deserve. Mr. Wolfe, in the future keep the classless responses from people like Ken Smith, and that smarmy Morris Jones to a minimum. Just cut them off at the pass when it becomes obvious that they are ramming their foot down their mouths. Looking further, hopefully, some interested and capable people will run against these clowns in future elections, and wear them to a fare-the-well and send them packing. Their attitudes suck, and their pontificating is worse.
employee38
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May 23, 2009
To citizen_of_troup I would really like to know how your boss spoke to you when you were told you were getting a pay cut. Did he say I really hope you can hang in there things will get better and I would really hate to lose you or did he say if you dont like it there is a 1000 people wanting your job quit because we can replace you. If your not one of the two idiots writing these blogs then I guess now there are three idiots. You still don't understand a 1% raise is not the issue it's how they made the employees feel with those stupid comments. Now as far as the landfill it is my understanding that the county purchased the land from a relative of Mr. Morris Jones if this is true I think it should be looked into because $15,000 an acre sounds high if it's not true I apologize for repeating what I have heard. Could you also please tell were Morris Jones has worked since you say he has held down a job. Everyone I have talked to said he has always lived off his family and since you know him so well maybe you would be so kind to inform me of his work or not work history. Mr. Wolf did not say anything negative in the article so I really did"nt want to say anything negative about him, but you opened the door saying he had'nt lied. I do remember when he was running for county chairman he was promising raises for county employees then he got the position and now he has turned his back on the employees. I apoligized to Mr.English because I was wrong for what I said and I believe Jones and Smith should apologize to the to the employees of troup county for their thoughtless hurtful remarks. Then maybe the morale will get back to where it was before their remarks.
another-troup-citizen
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May 23, 2009
citizen_of_troup: Since you seem to think you are so intelligent and keep yourself so up to date on the facts, it seems you would have noticed that these posts are directed mainly, it seems to me, to the arrogant commisioners who made the ignorant comments that where made.

In all the previous years that we as Troup county empoyees have not received a raise, do you even once recall there being anything posted or even discussed for this matter on the issue of a raise? In case you are unable to read between the lines, this has to do soley with the ignorant remarks made by two specific individuals. You no, the two that are refered to in nearly every post thats been made, Spoon fed Morris and Steal from the poor Smith.

Get your facts straight. And if the blogs posted are such a bother to you, why do you continue to log on and voice your opinion on an issue that does not affect you in any way??? Hmm, or does it? Just because you may not be one of those to hold that "thankless position" doesnt mean your not tied in close to one that does. Seriously, if the issue is such a bother to you, STAY OFF and find some other facts to look into that may actualy hold your interest.
disappointed
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May 22, 2009
What I can not understand is why the commissoners felt it so necessary to make the comments that they made. Ken Smith is my commissoner and I have always voted for him but after this I don't see how in good conscience I can now. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE someone with the backbone to standup for the little man run for this important office. Mr Dobbs, you seem like a good man and I am glad you work for this county. I bet those silly, arrogant men wish they could swallow these words. Commissoners just remember you get what you pay for so do the county residents. I just hope that when assistance is needed that these employees have the good grace to continue their job with integrity. Just remember that you work for the tax payers and they have made a poor selection in their county commissoners I am sure that will be rectified in the next elections. We will be keeping an eye on the board and every cent they spend. Employees, I see the light at the end of the tunnel. Don't you? God works in mysterious ways. Thank you
Troupemployee
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May 22, 2009
To citizen_of-troup. You GOOFBALL do you honestly beleive that we the employees are not tax paying citizens.I am sick and tired off everyone thinking that just because you are a county employeee you do not pay taxes also. Go back and research how many times in the past 10 years county employees have gotten raises, you would be suprised. It not the fact of the county not giving raises we are use to that it's the fact that Jones and Smith have to down grade the employees. I don't see anybody getting on Buck Davis or Richard English, funny aint it. So do your homework before you start talking about something you don't know about. Again if everyone was mad at the commissioners it would have stated all of them but I dont't think that'S what has been said on the blogs. SIT BACK AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!
Troupemployee
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May 22, 2009
It seems funny the county commissioners asked all departments to cut their budget by 5%. I dont rememer any of them stating how they would cut there department or any one questioning them about their budget. I bet if you look they did not even discuss this, why don't Lagrange Daily News question them about this. Joel Martin is always at those meetings looks as if he could ask these questions maybe do some snooping around or is he tired of that from the Sheriff's race (for no reason). LDN get on them like you did the sheriff and put some of those unbiased colums in your paper.Let's get it all out in the open there just county commissioners it's not like they can do anything to you . I know how we can make up some of the tax fall, get some deputies in the county and start giving the county commissioners a ticket . The have got to be in the road all the time since they work on county business so much that they should be making $90,000.00 a year. Come on give me a break all they do is come in the building and tuck and run and get on the elevator and hope they do not have to talk to anyone and go up to there little lavish meeting room overlooking the square. Hey next time anyone is riding by the government center just look up at those fancy windows with the tint on them and wave to the commissioner (with one finger)
citizen_of_troup
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May 22, 2009
Another-Troup-Citizen: I would like to make it perfectly clear, I AM NOT a County Commissioner, nor would I ever have any desire to hold such a thankless position.

Most of you on this post sound like the arrogant ones. You come accross as if you are entitled to a pay increase, in a year when all governments and businesses accross the country can barely stay afloat. In my opnion, if any departments deserved an increase it would be the police and fire, but increases have to be accross the board.

After reading the article yet again it sounds more and more as if the commissioners were telling the realistic truth. You all seem be living in a fairy tale. MOST AMERICANS, INCLUDING MYSELF, HAVE TAKEN A PAY DECREASE AND YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT GETTING THE SAME THING AS LAST YEAR. At first I was sypathetic, but now from all these posts, it is somewhat hard. If I had been a commissioner I would have voted to cut the budget and tax rate even lower to give more relief to all the citizens, the taxpayers. Also, I have not talk with anyone that thought county employees deserved a raise and everyone I talked with thought thr commissioners did the right thing.

The reason I know what I am talking about is that I stay up on the facts and nothing you talk about could work. It is somewhat disturbing that employees of Troup County don't even know how the county opperates. SPLOST dollars can only be spent on specific SPLOST projects. That is were the money on buildings, etc comes from. Not the general budget. You can't take SPOLST dollars and put them into the budget.

You also talk about parks & rec; at least parks & rec fields, etc have generated revenue for local businesses when they have tournaments. They also keep kids out of trouble.

On the landfill, I checked on that today and Commissioner Jones did not own the land that was sold for the landfill.

Like I said before, if you don't like where you work find another job. But it is hard for me to understand how you can complain about getting the same thing you got last year when this country is in a recession.

disturbedemployee
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May 22, 2009
Mr. Jones, if I had the county buying worthless land from me for way more than the value is, I would not need a raise either.Mr.Smith, I live in your district but I will vote for anyone who runs against you , even if it is Mickey Mouse! As for our glorified playground director and assistant county manager, why do we even need these positions. It is amazing that parks and rec spends so much money but they want the essential departments to cut their budget. Maybe if the commisioners, If any of them live in the county, if it was their house that is on fire or being broken into will start thinking about the employees when the fire truck or deputy has to come from all the way across the county because those departments are short handed or do not have good equipment because YOU want to cut the budget. If ya'll had spent the money to help these departments instead of planting flowers,flower pots and landscaping at the government center... The budget would be fine. Enjoy this term because it will probably be your last when it comes election time. This includes you Mr. Wolfe!
another-troup-citizen
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May 22, 2009
It’s quite sad that these commissioners think so lowly of the hard working employees of Troup county. The employees you so freely degrade and belittle are the reason the revenue continues to flow through Troup County, to provide the money that keeps this county going. The job each and every individual office does for the already extremely low pay you feel should so greatly be appreciated.

Wolfe can not “justify a raise”? He talks of cutting the budget in each department? What’s being cut in your department? How can he justify the costly cell phones provided for each of them? I can about bet that the only business usage those phones see, is the calls made to remind each other to attend the county meetings. How can he justify the meetings held up on the third floor between all the commissioner’s, being provided a costly lunch each time a meeting is held on the tax payers dime. Or hiring an ASSISTANT county manager who is paid nearly triple the amount of what the average county employee is paid, who basically does nothing, and is provided with a brand new county car to drive himself around in, all gas fully furnished, on the tax payers dime, who so happened to come from the parks and rec. department. Oh look, now the entire Callaway stadium is being fully renovated at a very high cost for this very slow economy. I wonder how that happened? The expense account some where in the neighborhood of $43,000 provided to the so worthy commissioners. Where is it that they could possibly have to go and for what, to need a traveling expense of that nature? The $44,247.32 he so claims the commissioners, including himself, are paid in total (what’s documented anyway) to do absolutely nothing but show up at meeting on occasion.

To Citizen of Troup, It is obvious that you your self are one of those who this discussion directly involves. You commissioners have such a “thankless job”. Maybe that’s because of the o-so high and mighty attitude you carry around as though you’re so much better than those around you. The ignorant comments you so freely make and throw at the employee’s here to serve Troup County. The phony smiles you plaster on your faces as you force your selves to shake the hands of citizens as you pass, as rare as it is that you are even seen. Your closing remark in regard to being ecstatic to give a raise under different circumstances, your full of it. County employees have gone without raises for years, even when the economy was doing well, and if given a raise then, only to make up for the raised insurance premiums. Speaking of premiums, do you commissioners even have to pay your own, or do we tax payers cover that as well? As far as the comment made in reference to spoon fed Jones and steal from the poor Smith, how IDIOTIC can you be to make such ignorant and belittling comments about those who work for the county you so called serve? Election time is right around the corner….

Thank you Mr. Dobbs for attempting to get the county employees a raise!

EyeforanEye
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May 22, 2009
I think its time I speak on this important issue. I own property in Troup County and have a great interest here. Without question Troup employees deserve a cost of living raise, immediately. The sarcastic,idiotic comments by Morris Jones, and his not so bright associate Ken Smith, kind of tell the story about our underpaid and under appreciated county employees. We do not need to look too close within the dealings of these two elected officials, we might not want to know a whole lot. Where is the great Ricky Wolfe ? He surely isn't butting heads with the "Mighty Morris Jones" and friend. Show some leadership WOLFE ! Stand-up for what is right. Morris Jones is the obvious pointman in denying county employees a living wage. Hey Morris, your phoney, classless behavior is spurring many new candidates for your and your buddies position. This commission is unfair and hopefully the good people of Troup County will remove them from the positions the currently hold. Hey Jones and Smith, start your campaigns!
1701
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May 22, 2009
WOW so Troup county will not give merit raises the only time you can hope for a raise is if their is a penalty involved. O and by the way proudintroupcounty we pay tax dollars to and seek our fourms on our time not everyone elses dime. Mike thanks for going to bat for us ricky u are right their will be a light at the end of the tunnel or should i say ballot.
kazoo
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May 21, 2009
1000 people putting in for a job??? It is obvious that you have never even seen some of those applications. First, you sift out all of the "Convicted Felons". Then, see if they can even spell GED or Diploma. Work history,? yea, look at some of them. Finally, you think you've got one, but Child Support Recovery wants them more than you do. Please..., spare me the morbid details. Oh, blogging on your tax dollars, you can have your penny back. We don't mind giving back to those who know our job better than we do. Oh, remember, the only thing between the bad guys and the good guys are police officers. We commend you Mr. Dobbs for atleast trying to get us something. That was alot more than English and the Romper-Room Gang tried to do.
M_Toast
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May 21, 2009
I have worked for the county for a good many years and have always been greatful of any raise that I have received, most of our raises always come with some sort of trade off. No, employees were really not expecting to see a raise of any kind this year, but we were not expecting the be-littlement that we received from our Fine Commissioners either (BTW, commissioners, pull your noses out of the clouds and try speaking to your employees once in a while), we were made the laughing stock of Troup County and the City of LaGrange as well by the wonderful comment made "our county employees are good workers, but they can do without a raise for 12 months", really? Well, let me tell you that 12 months is a long time for me as it is for a good many people, I still have a Mortgage, car insurance, car payment, light bill, gas bill, and yes groceries to buy.... and let's not forget the single parents that work for Troup COunty that have the need for child care, why not try and come up with a program that would benefit them, maybe The Callaway Foundation could donate some money for a summer program that would benefit employees that have young children that need child care. And no, I will not leave my job over a 1% raise and have never thought about leaving even when we did'nt get a raise for 3 years straight. Not to toot my own horn, but I have given the county countless hours of working after our office closed, never turned in overtime or comp time up until recently, I have stopped that nonsense, I am worth more than zero. I love my job and will do what I can to make sure I do a great service for the citizens of Troup County. So, I say to Troup COunty's Fine COmmissioner's, it is sad that you all think so little of us as employees. As a matter of fact, I think it is sad that you all feel justifed in not giving us a 1% raise, and letting us know that The CIty of LaGrange is looking forward to awarding their employees with their usual 5% raise. Some people reading this will probably say that we should just suck it up, but to know how your superiors feel about you makes it really hard to do. You Know, I don't think that those 1000 people will be lining up to be employed by Troup County, but rather by The City of LaGrange.
employee38
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May 21, 2009
To ProudinTroupcounty you can put your concerns away and dont lose anymore sleep I post my blogs from my home on my time. I earn every bit of my $13.00 an hour and would never think of stealing your hard working tax dollar. To Citizen_of_TroupCounty You did'nt read what I wrote I said I believe that the employees would understand if raises were not given because of the slow economy but the comments Smith and Jones made would bring the morale down. I stand by calling those two idiots but would like to apologize to Mr. English I read the article again and realize he said nothing to suggest that he was not concerned with employees leaving. I know that Smith and Jones comments will bring the employee's morale down. So UGA degree or not they both are idiots. They already know there will be no raises so they add fuel to the fire by saying people are lined up for our jobs real smart. Two Einstiens we got running our county.
wife-in-the-real-world
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May 21, 2009
why would anyone assume that county employees are not living "in the real world" that world where families are struggling to make ends meet, or are just like anyone else , living paycheck to paycheck ? Does anyone really think that deputies or local government office workers or court personnel are making so much money that they are otherworldly? looking down they're noses at the little people!!because if there is someone out there that believes that, i can assure you , you are not in this world, my husband has been a deputy in this county for more than 20 years and still has to work more than 3 jobs to make those ends meet. as well as me working a full time job. are we really going to tell our law enforcement that the sacrifices they make every single day is so meaningless ? are we going to tell those people who are on call 24/7 through any storm or county hazard ( that county which includes the cities of LaGrange, Hogansville and West Point) that they don't deserve the same pay increase as the city gets? sadly they were not even asking for that much and got denied, and to have a comissioner hold it over they're heads as part of the failed economy is just adding insult to injury. with every respect to Donny Turner we say thank you sir for trying,
ProudinTroupCounty
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May 21, 2009
As a concerned citizen of Troup County I follow the actions of our community closely through our newspapers and local television station. I feel our leaders do a very good job of governing our City as well as our County and have no concerns. I do have a concerns with "Troup Employee" posting on a blog during what should be working hours. I would rather my tax dollars go to hard working City and County officials rather than to "Troupemployees" blogging during working hours.
citizen_of_troup
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May 21, 2009
As a taxpayer, everything in the article was true. Employees should be lucky to even get what they made the previous year. Most employees in "the real working world" took a pay decrease. It sounds like the commissioners were looking out for the taxpayers, which is who they should be looking out for.

In response to a few comments below.

pjudge-One thing Mr. Jones has done is never vote for a tax increase. On his intelligence, how do you know he is not smart? I think he has a college degree from UGA. Also, I remember when Mr. Jones first ran and I don't remember any negative campaigning and I think he had 2 other people to run against him. On his wife, very classy to bring a spouse in, but as far as I know she has never held or run for any political office. On not caring for anyone; anyone who runs for county commissioner cares about this county and the taxpayers beacuse as I see it, it is a thankless position, but more importantly who are you to judge.

grangerphil-On gas prices; yes they are slightly up, but not back to $4.50. On the 1000 people comment, I believe there would be more than that apply for jobs. Right now Troup County has one of the highest unemployment rates in the State, plenety of people want a job. If you take a working population of 25,000 at a 12% unemployment rate that would be about 3000 unemployed. So, 1000 people is not far off, not even taking into account the people applying from other counties.

JohnQPublic-On benefit packages, face it commissioners get insurance benefits, they always will as long as all other elected offices do. At least this commission board reevaluted insurance contracts which saved the taxpayers thousands of dollars. On city/county; you do realize that cities and counties fall under different laws and regulations. Cities can compete in business to offset taxes, counties can only provide services paid for through taxes & fees. On Mr. Wolfe, what has he lied about? On Jones not ever having a job, that is just a plain out lie from you. On Smith, when you are in business you will not stay in business unless you make a profit. He provided a needed service and charged what people would pay. That is how it works. America is still a free country and it is not like Mr. Smith forced people to do business with him. On the workout equipment, that was one of the best investments the county could have made because if the employees will use it there will be an unbelivable savings on employee medical insurance over time. On the flowers, from what I have read all of this work was paid for through SPLOST funds voted on by the public. All SPLOST projects are designated beforehand and money has to be spent as it was allocated.

employee38-I do understand that money is tight and not getting a raise hurts. Like I said before, most people took an overall pay decrease this year, including me, but do you really think calling Smith, Jones, & English idiots was appropriate. On morale, is bad morale really contributed to these three commissioners or just the economy as a whole? Also, I would imagine that each commissioner on average spends at least 10 hours a week on county matters. If they got paid $175/hour then we should be paying each of them around $91,000/year. On expense accounts, I think they are open to the public so Mr. Dobbs could more than likely show them to you.

In closing, if times were good I feel the commissioners would have been estatic to give pay increases, but we are dealing with situations we have not faced before. Like I said, I sympatize with no pay increase, but don't get mad, be gald you are able to keep what you had last year and be thankful you have a job. If you don't like where you work, quit or leave. It is your choice. These commissioners had to make a tough decision and as hard as it was, they made the right decision.

Troupemployee
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May 21, 2009
HOW ABOUT SOMEONE CHECKING INTO THIS. HOW IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY BESIDE A LANDFILL WORTH $15000.00 AND ACRE. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW THAT I HAD A PIECE OF LAND THAT WAS NOT WORTH NOTHING BEISDE A TRASH DUMP AND GO THAT FOR IT. THAT WOULD HAVE SAVED ENOUGH THAT THE COUNTY COULD HAVE GOTTEN A RAISE. LET'S CHAECK THAT OUT MR "SILVER SPOON JONES"
Troupemployee
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May 21, 2009
WELL IT'S TIME FOR PEOPLE TO START SOME SNIFFING. DON'T BELIEVE THAT THOSE POOR "OLD" COMMISSIONERS ONLY MAKE $9000.00 A YEAR, START CHECKING THEIR BENEFIT PACKAGE. DID THEY TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVE COUNTY PAID CELL PHONES AND HAVE A TRAVEL BUDGET OF AROUND $41,000.00. IF YOU CUT OUT THERE CELL PHONE, TRAVEL BUDGET, AND INSURANCE FOR THEIR "OLD" POOR SELVES THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GIVE A RAISE. COME ON COMMISSIONERS LET ALL THE INFORMATION OUT NOT JUST SOME OF IT. I UNDERSTAND THAT "SILVER SPOON" JONES AND "RIP OF PAWN SHOP" SMITH. YOU DON'T NEED A RAISE. YOU HAVE ALREADY SCREWED PEOPLE ALL YOUR LIVES AND WILL SETTLE FOR THAT BENEFIT PACKAGE RIGHT NOW. LET THE FUN BEGIN
pjudge
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May 21, 2009
This is from a regular guy---Morris Jones has done nothing for this county and talks down to everyone. Give him something to read or fill out and see how smart he really is.He has never had to worry about money since he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.He had someone that was going to run against him last time but him and his cronies started talking about what a negative campaign they would run and that they would destroy the competition. His wife did the same thing when someone attempred to run against her. They care about no one but their selves and their pocket book. I think it would cost a lot more than a measly 1% to retrain an employee. The same day this was in the paper a reminder was sent out to all Troup County employees saying don't forget your new goals for the year. This was supposed to be a tool to help the people who work hard to get a merit increase LOL LOL.
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