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In the final analysis we’re all human
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Dear Editor,

Persistent belief is a psychological phenomenon that has been known for many years. It is the propensity of humans to maintain beliefs in the face of clear evidence to the contrary.It is most frequently recognized in the arena of religion because religious beliefs concern supernatural, unnatural, un-material, “unreal” and irrational subjects. Not only do those holding on to such beliefs maintain them when confronted with fact, they often go to extraordinary measures to attempt to support those beliefs. I personally witnessed the hilarious results of this phenomenon at a recent dinner party. This atheist was seated next to a Christian minister, and after a few drinks, general political discussions quickly turned into a theological debate.

My usual objections to religious barbarity were countered with the usual responses that the new testament supersedes the old and that it is all about love. I then noted that Jesus said that Christians should hate their families.

The debate passed the usual out-of-context-hate-means-love excuses as the reverend held tightly to his irrational belief. Then, in a last ditch effort to support his weakening position, he began to adopt the words of Jesus.

In the end, he confessed that like Jesus, he also “hated” his mother. Because I knew that the preacher had fallen victim to the persistent belief phenomenon, I laughed.

No matter what we think we believe, want to believe, or actually manage to believe, in the final analysis, we are all human, and I choose to believe that is a good thing.

Mike Smith,

Lakeshore Drive
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jmmoore7025
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January 07, 2012
mike, one day you will realize you are wrong, hopefully you will get over yourself and make that change before it's to late.
justme56
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January 07, 2012
How can one prove Mike is wrong without quoting some book? Without the book, that one book, how do the others know they are right? There seems to be a lot of anger and fear among the Christian community and it wouldn't exist without free thinking people like Mr. Smith and others. What this proves is that moore and fisherman and others of their kind are not as secure in their faiths as they would have others believe. Mike has challenged the "believers" many times to produce real evidence yet none aside from Biblical quotations are ever submitted. Why not quit believing and start knowing? Don't limit yourself to one book. We all know that if one wishes to become a greater expert in one's chosen vocation, they need to study as much about it as possible. This is the same in religion. If you wish to be secure in your faith, it is best to study the others as well. This way you can establish greater credibility when having religious discussions. Read the Quoran/Koran, the Torah, The Egyptian and Tibetan Books of the Dead as well as The Da Vinci Code and works by Stephen Hawkins. If you are secure in your faith, these will make you stronger yet at the same time make you a better communicator while expanding your world. If the only argument and rebuttals come from one book, you essentially taking a knife to a gun fight or are considered a one trick pony. Atheists, agnostics and apatheists know more about religion that the fanatics that reply. They do not have these beliefs out of laziness. They are educated professionals and typically know more about religion than the vast majority of Christians who tend to follow blindly. They are not sheep. Thanks
Hunk
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January 07, 2012
Mr. Moore...

Realize he is wrong - - about what? On what measure do you base what is right and what is wrong? When did you last meet with Mike and attempt to discover the “kind of person” Mike is? Religious affiliation – just like shoes – don’t make the man.

Before it’s too late? For what?

Peace - Tom

tomatotooth
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January 05, 2012
It is curious that people like the Greg and the P person lack the ability to comment on the merits of an issue. Gregthe says: "It's a control technique that hopefully many people see through." If he is aware of some mysterious control technique, he should explain it.
justme56
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January 05, 2012
It seems that the terms "believers" and "nonbelievers" are strictly Christian terms just as infidel is to the Muslim or Islamic faith, right? The question is, do all Christians believe the same way? Of course we know this is not true. Otherwise there wouldn't be so many different factions. Catholics are Christians, right? Jehovah Witnesses are Christians as are Mormons and Presbyterians, Methodists, Baptists, etc.. The Fisherman is equating nonbelief to insanity or at least some form of mental disorder. Einstein was an atheist so was he crazy? Lincoln could not adhere to the principles of Christianity so was he insane? Exodus 21:7 says it is alright to sell your daughter into slavery. If someone does not believe in this or Exodus 35:2 that anyone who works on Sunday should die (these just among others)are they crazy as well? Typically, the courts consider one insane if they are harmful to either themselves or society. Is Mike Smith classified as one of these individuals? If you look at some of the previous comments from the past articles and from Christians, I think Mr. Smith is the least of our worries. Thanks
Hunk
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January 04, 2012
Mike - I am surprised that you failed to tell me about your connective metal disomalignance - if Peekids brother didn't reveal it I would never have known... Tom

Note: makes as much sence as "Cognitive dissonance...

gregthefisherman
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January 05, 2012
Cognitive Dissonance is a discomfort caused by holding conflicting cognitions (e.g., ideas, beliefs, values, emotional reactions) simultaneously. I feel Mike and maybe some other nonbelievers are taking ther anger out on believers because they know we are partially right. It would be good to put prejudices aside and listen a little. After all, your really most angry with yourself.
Hunk
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January 05, 2012
Whoa - pull it Greg, there's something on your line!

Partially right?

Sounds like cognitive dissonance to me....

Greg - why don't you join us for breakfast...
tomatotooth
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January 05, 2012
Gregthepsychiatrist appears to think people with imaginary friends are sane while rational people experience cognitive dissonance. That is more than a little bit warped because the term refers to beliefs not matching evidence, and the fishy guy has no evidence. Therefore, if cognitive dissonance is applicable in the arena of religious belief, those (like fishyGreg) holding beliefs that are not supported by evidence are ripe for the disorder.
L.E.O.
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January 04, 2012
Mike,

A bit of introspective reflection may be in order. I can see the basis of many of your thoughts, however, having studied some of the scriptures you refer to I also understand that parables are not always to be understood "word for word". This is repeated in poetry and literature throughout history. I also, although the majority of our local religious right would disagree, understand that the Bible was translated from one language into another and as such is subject to error. The KJV was not the "First" English translation as many will assert and was translated with a heavy slant towards acceptance and conformity with accepted practices. In the end, the local right is probably wrong about alot of things and some of your points have validity, but not in the way that you see it. If you must twist someone's words or take them out of context to prove a point then your point has not actually been proven.

In the end, much of the local religious right does not have the education to debate you at any given level. As debates are not "won" by opinion but merely by fact you obviously have the upper hand as a great majority do not even no what they are debating about. This, however, is sad because in the end it is a bit like Drew Brees playing pee-wee football.... it just ain't fair!!! Mike, you win!!! Just give them a break....
tomatotooth
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January 05, 2012
As long as half of the country is holding hands with imaginary friends, I see no need to let up, specially when they continue to insist that I hold hands with their imaginary friends too.

tomatotooth
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January 05, 2012
"You just can't beat the person who never gives up."

-- Babe Ruth
gregthefisherman
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January 05, 2012
Obviously, after reading Mike's opinions, he's not as intelligent as he tries to make everyone think. It's a control technique that hopefully many people see through.
gregthefisherman
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January 04, 2012
Cognitive dissonance is a problem for you. I believe the story of your dinner party experience would be greatly different if you could let go of your personal prejudices. Grow up!
tomatotooth
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January 04, 2012
gregthemisunderestimated
gregthefisherman
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January 04, 2012
You're so funny
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